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236bf №.3889

I need suggestions on what soystemd-free distro to hop to.

Printer support is very important as is having access to a package manager GUI (e.g. Discover or Gnome Software). Would prefer if it came included with the Cinnamon Desktop but I could easily install it, also wouldn't mind KDE. Up to date packages would be nice but not if it costs stability.

d5df0 №.3893

OpenBSD

ONION №.3894

Why do you need a GUI package manager?

540f2 №.3898

OP here.
>OpenBSD
Heard Steam doesn't work on OpenBSD. Is FreeBSD any good?
>Why do you need a GUI package manager.
It's just easier to find and manage software on GUI than the terminal for me.

ONION №.3899

>>3898
If you are using Steam then Systemd is the least of your worries.

236bf №.3901

>>3899
Interesting.

2cf5c №.3911

>>3889
mx linux

5881c №.3913

Is it true that certain computer or laptop models now make it difficult or impossible to load linux on? I want to get a new computer solely for linux but dont want to get gypped.

ONION №.3916

>>3889
>package manager GUI
Don't do it!
They all suck!

ONION №.3917


5f8da №.3926

>>3898
Are you a fucking nigger?

453d2 №.3927

>>3913
many force UEFI mode now, not sure if that's what you mean
>>3894
>Why do you need to interact with the computer like it's the 21st century?
>>3889
can't speak to printer support, PClinuxOS is systemJ-free and fairly polished I guess. Devuan is non-systemd debian, also an option. Neither are nearly as polished and stable as mint. try both and see what works. I used PCLOS for a few weeks before, it was OK but I could never get pinyin to install properly

747c8 №.3928

>>3889
Artix Linux. It's exactly like Arch, but without the SystemDildo.

2d803 №.3929

>>3889
devuan desu

453d2 №.3930

>>3928
is it usable or another case of sudo alsdjsalkjfahsldgkjhsdflkghdlfkjghsldfjkghsdfjkgh to do normal shit?
>>3929
i tried it once but shit kept breaking, but maybe I'm just a retard
>>3898
>s FreeBSD any good?
FreeBSD itself is just a terminal based OS designed for servers, fucking useless as a desktop system unless you add a bunch of shit. but there are derivatives of it, like GhostBSD, that include the desktop environment and all that shit. Hardware support on BSD is shit, but if yours is supported it might be good. no idea. personally, I say stick with linux instead of BSD because for desktop systems, there is more support and documentation on doing things, so if you have problems it's easier to fix.

ONION №.3931

>>3930
>is it usable or another case of sudo alsdjsalkjfahsldgkjhsdflkghdlfkjghsldfjkghsdfjkgh to do normal shit?
Community editions are fully GUI operated with all the programs you could ever need, for retarded niggers such as yourself, normal and base editions are for people with IQs above 100 and 115 respectively.
>i tried it once but shit kept breaking, but maybe I'm just a retard
Yes.

2d803 №.3935

>>3930
>i tried it once but shit kept breaking, but maybe I'm just a retard
what did you do to break it? gayming?

b738b №.3936

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>>3927
> many force UEFI mode now, not sure if that's what you mean

Not an IT guy so I suppose so. I'll greentext one such example below from an amazon review for an Acer laptop. I deleted unnecessary whining to condense the post. Apologies if greentext doesnt come out right.

>I'm a longtime Acer user and I bought this Acer laptop because I >liked that it had a second hard drive bay and I wanted to >install the hard drive from my old Acer laptop in the bay so I >could run my Linux OS rather than the windoze virus.


>Cons:

>1) The stumblebums at Acer have changed their BIOS so that all >you can boot out of the box is the windoze virus pre-installed >on the laptop.

>I contacted their support people, first by chat and then by >phone, I tried to talk to someone higher up in their hierarchy, >which was also useless. I finally managed to lodge a complaint >about this problem after demanding to file a complaint several >times and got a case #, of which I doubt I'll ever hear anything >back on, and if I do, it'll probably be some garbage that >doesn't answer my question.


>I also researched workarounds online, but there weren't many >viable looking options, as it looks like a few people who'd >managed to sneak around the windows virus EUFI by jumping >through several hoops to rewrite the windows virus boot info had >problems with the touchpad and slow performance afterwards.


>Rather than spending an afternoon trying to work around >something that used to be easily accomplished in the older >versions of the Acer BIOS, I decided to return the useless >machine and buy a punching bag and an Acer logo sticker to put >on it so I can take out my frustration.


>Bottom Line: If you're an enlightened Linux user, DO NOT BUY >ACER!!! If they send me an apology and fix this >BIOS disaster >that they've created (probably to coddle up to the >evil >Microsoft virus company) I may decide to change my mind, and >will let you know in an update to this post.


End of greentext review.

I'll attach another review that points out what seems to be more windows fuckery similar to what other frens seem to be talking about in the windows 11 thread. Is this UEFI related as well?

453d2 №.3945

>>3935
no gayming, it was something about input methods and shit. I don't see the point in gaming on linux, just have a standalone wingoys system for that shit and keep it separate from your classified pepes shitposting station
>>3931
>Community editions are fully GUI operated with all the programs you could ever need
thanks, downloading now to give it a try
>everyone who doesn't like terminal is a retarded nigger
I see this constantly. Rather than call you names, I want to actually understand why people think this way. I genuinely don't get it. Why is it that wanting a modern and usable system is niggardly, and everyone who just wants it to work is a retarded nigger to you people? Is your grandmother also a retarded nigger because she just wants to check her emails and get on with her day? Honestly, I am no longer angry at seeing this attitude, just baffled at why someone would port it. Please explain it to me as though I were, as you stated, a retarded nigger.
>>3936
I was helping an older lady fix her laptop recently (probably about 2 years old) and I couldn't disable UEFI boot mode. I was eventually able to disable secure boot, but still must use UEFI. Fucking homosexual and gay, not only could I not use my repair boot disk, but I couldn't even install Win10 LTSC. That specific laptop probably could do linux (she wanted existing windows 10 jew edition fixed), but the fact that you don't know before buying is abominable. FUck wingoys 11, I ain't using it. In fairness, new laptops are kind of pointless because a 10 year old thinkpad can do everything just as well and it looks good doing it, but most normies don't understand this and paint themselves into a corner.

453d2 №.3946

>>3931
was this response here >>3934 you?
Whether it was or not, would you consider doing a review of artix on that thread, if you are familiar with it? I think other anons would also be interested in what you have to say. How long have you used it for?
Thanks in advance

ONION №.3948

>>3945
<everyone who doesn't like terminal is a retarded nigger
>I see this constantly. Rather than call you names, I want to actually understand why people think this way.
Refusing to use the terminal is akin to refusing to read books. You are illiterate, lazy, or perhaps both.

453d2 №.3949

>>3948
>refusing terminal = not reading books
not sure I agree entirely. I would compare it to refusing to read books that do not interest you or fundamentally improve your professional ability.
>refusing to use terminal = lazy and illiterate
I want to take this to its logical conclusion. If refusing to use terminal is niggardly behaviour, then having a system that is anything other than terminal would also be a niggardly system, no? by definition, a system that allows users to complete tasks outside terminal therefore allows them to refuse to use terminal, therefore enabling niggardry and making the system itself niggardly. But I am certain that you are using a GUI at this very moment, or have done so in the recent past. If so, why? Would you prefer a world where all things are done in a terminal?
>refusing to use terminal at all
I firmly believe that, as a desktop system, terminal (or command prompt or whatever) should be completely optional for basic user tasks. This is how Windows has been until the last couple of years when the jews compeltely fucked it. Cmd in windows is an excellent accoutrement for desktop users to quickly accomplish things that could otherwise be done through the GUI in a slower manner. In my usage of Mint, it seems largely the same way, in that I can use terminal when/if I feel like it, but can choose not to if I don't care.
To what extent do you disagree with this, and to what extent therefore do you think that computers should not be universally usable?

While I completely disagree with you, I appreciate that you are willing to politely share your viewpoint,

ONION №.3950

>>3949
>not sure I agree entirely. I would compare it to refusing to read books that do not interest you or fundamentally improve your professional ability.
Nope. In this context we are talking about people willing to do something in GUI, but unwilling to do it in CLI. That is directly comparable to someone willing to watch the movie but unwilling to read the novel. Inb4
>Reading is too much time investment
Skill issue.

57f31 №.3951

>>3945

>I was helping an older lady fix her laptop recently (probably about 2 years old) and I couldn't disable UEFI boot mode. I was eventually able to disable secure boot, but still must use UEFI. Fucking homosexual and gay, not only could I not use my repair boot disk, but I couldn't even install Win10 LTSC. That specific laptop probably could do linux (she wanted existing windows 10 jew edition fixed), but the fact that you don't know before buying is abominable. FUck wingoys 11, I ain't using it. In fairness, new laptops are kind of pointless because a 10 year old thinkpad can do everything just as well and it looks good doing it, but most normies don't understand this and paint themselves into a corner.


I know this is a vague question but what type of laptop/computer should someone buy if they want to use it for more creative purposes than average normie use? From my limited understanding it seems like this UEFI has effectively neutered any attempts at downgrading Windows 11 or installing other OS's on local machines. Are people stuck with taking a chance on older laptops which unfortunately are becoming depreciating assets as more time rolls by if they want to do more than just basically become an e-zombie consumer?

ONION №.3952

>>3945
>I want to actually understand why people think this way.
Because the terminal is the simplest and most efficient way to get most things done. GUIs per se are not evil, I use them for several things, but the insistence that every program needs a GUI is moronic. When someone wants to deal with the packages on his computer, he already knows the names of the packages so all he has to do is invoke the command, type the operation and then the names. Compare this to the GUI where it is a cumbersome journey of clicking boxes scattered all over the screen, going to the search bar, searching for the name of a package, clicking on the checkbox and then going back to the search bar.
Package management should be exclusively done with a terminal because that is the only sane way to manage package management, just as complex image manipulation and drawing should be done exclusively with a GUI.
>is your grandmother also a retarded nigger because she just wants to check her emails and get on with her day?
If she is only checking her mail and using a web browser then why would she need to be modifying the system or be doing complex tasks?
>>3949
>Would you prefer a world where all things are done in a terminal?
Not all things, but GUI web browsers certainly need to die.
>I firmly believe that, as a desktop system, terminal (or command prompt or whatever) should be completely optional for basic user tasks.
Why are people so afraid of chaining "pacman" "-Syu" and "package" together? It turns a task that would take minutes into one that takes seconds.
>To what extent do you disagree with this
If they want to do things the retarded way, they are free to do so, just as I am free to call them a retard.
>and to what extent therefore do you think that computers should not be universally usable?
Only people at least 1.5SDs above average should be allowed near computers.

747c8 №.3953

>>3930
>is it usable or another case of sudo alsdjsalkjfahsldgkjhsdflkghdlfkjghsldfjkghsdfjkgh to do normal shit?
I don't think there's a distro that makes it so that you will never ever have to do sudo whatever. But if you choose the plasma edition, such encounters will be rare.

6e1fc №.3954

>>3930
>>3953
Sudo is there to stop you from accidentally doing something stupid. If you really don't want to sudo constantly, why not just use sudo su…?

1e598 №.3983

>>3951
>From my limited understanding it seems like this UEFI has effectively neutered any attempts at downgrading Windows 11 or installing other OS's on local machines.

UEFI isnt the actual thing that is doing what you described, that is secure boot. Speaking about windows, you can actually "downgrade" it with secure boot on up until windows 8 (you can even use windows 7 with secure boot but that will require you to install the ESU updates.) Lets say you want to install linux on a new laptop. You can do so even while secure boot is on. Just make sure you pick some popular distro like ubuntu because they come with secure boot compatible bootloaders

ONION №.3984

>>3983
>you can even use windows 7 with secure boot but that will require you to install the ESU updates
I tried that multiple times, with simplix update pack, with NTLite, but never got Windows 7 to boot on my machine except with CSM enabled. Which sucks because now some graphics cards dont work correctly without CSM disabled and ReBAR enabled.

99914 №.4107

AntiX has gui, is stable and no systemd
Try it anon

453d2 №.4116

>>4107
which of their GUIs is most Windows-like?

ONION №.4148

>>3911
Kept hearing good things about MX linux. The first time I installed it, tried to mount an external drive to import some files from my old system. Wouldn't mount. Started to google around. Supposedly auto mounting is disabled. Tried the command that was mentioned on the mx linux website. Doesn't work. Realised that Qubes OS is way easier than this. Gave up and went back to qubes as my daily driver. Anyways want to explain the logic here? Why I should even ever give MX linux a second chance? Seriously wtf. I'm pretty novice with linux, but I've been using Qubes for 3 years now. Have never had that many issues as MX linux gave me in the first 10 minutes.

0cea7 №.4149

>>4116
POSIX terminal interface

df989 №.4150

z/OS. Run it in Hercules. The installation disk also comes with Unix, if I remember correctly.

ONION №.4153

>>3898
you don't install steam on linux, set up 2 ssds use 1 for windows and 1 for linux. Encrypt your linux drive and use it for regular everyday internet use, while use windows debloater on your windows drive, and disable updates you can use that to play steam etc. The best distro is debian, or some arch/artix one.

453d2 №.4155

>>4150
>z/OS.
>LicenseProprietary monthly license charge (MLC); pricing available based on actual use (VWLC, EWLC, AWLC, EAWLC, IWP); reduced pricing options (zELC, zNALC, "Solution Edition") for many applications

ac9c6 №.4310

MxLinux is non-systemd for brainlets
>i use Artix btw

96ade №.4667

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Slackware.



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